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TigerJoo·22d ago

Here’s a stupid‑simple H = π * ψ² governor you can paste into your pipeline

Below is a minimal pattern of the H Formula code that anyone can try:

Define ψ as a simple scalar from your own context (e.g., prompt length).
Compute H = π·ψ².
Use H to govern max_tokens (or any other cost driver).
Print a tiny before/after cost report.

You can adapt it to OpenAI, vLLM, llamafile, etc.

  1. Minimal “H Governor” Demo (pure Python)

This version doesn’t call any API.
It just shows how H changes the token budget and logs the savings:

import math
import random

PI = math.pi

def estimate_psi(prompt: str) -> float:
"""
Super simple ψ estimator:
- Longer, denser prompts → higher ψ.
- You can swap this with entropy, KV size, etc.
"""
base = len(prompt.split())
# Optional: add a tiny random jitter to simulate variability
return base / 50.0  # scale factor so numbers aren't huge

def holistic_energy(psi: float) -> float:
"""H = π * ψ²"""
return PI (psi * 2)

def token_budget_with_H(prompt: str,
max_tokens_baseline: int = 512,
H_cap: float = 25.0,
min_tokens: int = 64) -> int:
"""
Use H to govern the token budget:
- High H → strong / intense state → we don't need to brute-force tokens.
- Low H → allow more tokens (within baseline).
"""
psi = estimate_psi(prompt)
H = holistic_energy(psi)

# Normalize H into [0, 1] band using a cap
H_norm = min(H / H_cap, 1.0)

# Invert: higher H_norm → smaller token budget
reduction_factor = 0.5 * H_norm  # up to 50% cut
governed_budget = int(max_tokens_baseline * (1.0 - reduction_factor))

governed_budget = max(governed_budget, min_tokens)

return psi, H, governed_budget

def run_demo():
prompts = [
"Quick: summarize this in one sentence.",
"Explain the H = pi * psi^2 formula and its implications for AI cost control.",
"You are given a long technical spec document about distributed systems, "
"OOM behavior, and inference economics. Analyze the tradeoffs between context length, "
"KV cache growth, and token-based governors, providing detailed recommendations."
]

max_tokens_baseline = 512

print("=== H-Governor Cost Demo ===")
for i, prompt in enumerate(prompts, start=1):
psi, H, governed = token_budget_with_H(
prompt,
max_tokens_baseline=max_tokens_baseline
)

saved = max_tokens_baseline - governed
save_pct = (saved / max_tokens_baseline) * 100

print(f"\n[Example {i}]")
print(f"Prompt length (words): {len(prompt.split())}")
print(f"ψ (psi) estimate:      {psi:.3f}")
print(f"H = π * ψ²:            {H:.3f}")
print(f"Baseline max_tokens:   {max_tokens_baseline}")
print(f"H-governed max_tokens: {governed}")
print(f"Estimated tokens saved: {saved} ({save_pct:.1f}% reduction)")

if name == "main":
run_demo()

What this gives you:

  • A visible mapping: longer / denser prompts → higher ψ → higher H.
  • Automatic token reduction as H rises.
  • Immediate printout of token savings per request.

You can literally run:

python h_governor_demo.py

…and see: “Oh, I just cut 30–50% of my max_tokens on high-H prompts.”

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SetentaeBolg·22d ago

Just absolute nonsense from a persistent delusional poster.

This is not an LLM optimisation method. It is an arbitrary heuristic dressed up in fake physics language. In the demo, ψ is just prompt word count divided by 50, H = π·ψ² is a decorative transformation of that made-up number, and the token savings happen only because the code explicitly hardcodes a reduction in max_tokens. Nothing about this measures entropy, KV-cache growth, inference complexity, or “relativistic collapse”.

OpenAI and vLLM treat max_tokens / max_output_tokens as ordinary output caps, and OpenAI pricing is based on model choice plus input, cached input, and output tokens, not on any H = π·ψ² law. OpenAI also warns that setting output caps too low can produce incomplete responses while still charging for work done.

The “cheap bill” claim proves nothing. Low bills are easily explained by cheap models, short outputs, batch pricing, or prompt caching. At current OpenAI rates, 2.1M tokens can plausibly cost well under a dollar depending on model and caching, so $0.32 is not “physically impossible” and does not require general relativity.

In plain English: this code does not discover hidden efficiency. It just counts words and then forces a smaller output limit. Calling that a physics-based governor is nonsense.

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TigerJoo·22d ago

Here’s a simple CSV-logging version.

They can run it, then open the CSV in Excel/Sheets and graph H vs token savings.

import math

import csv

import os

from datetime import datetime

PI = math.pi

def estimate_psi(prompt: str) -> float:

"""

Super simple ψ estimator:

- Longer prompts → higher ψ.

- Swap this with your own metric (entropy, KV size, etc).

"""

return len(prompt.split()) / 50.0 # scale factor so numbers aren't huge

def holistic_energy(psi: float) -> float:

"""H = π * ψ²"""

return PI \ (psi \* 2)

def token_budget_with_H(prompt: str,

max_tokens_baseline: int = 512,

H_cap: float = 25.0,

min_tokens: int = 64):

"""

Use H to \govern\ the token budget:

- High H → strong / intense state → we don't need to brute-force tokens.

- Low H → allow more tokens (within baseline).

"""

psi = estimate_psi(prompt)

H = holistic_energy(psi)

# Normalize H into [0, 1] band using a cap

H_norm = min(H / H_cap, 1.0)

# Invert: higher H_norm → smaller token budget (up to 50% reduction)

reduction_factor = 0.5 * H_norm

governed_budget = int(max_tokens_baseline * (1.0 - reduction_factor))

governed_budget = max(governed_budget, min_tokens)

saved = max_tokens_baseline - governed_budget

save_pct = (saved / max_tokens_baseline) * 100 if max_tokens_baseline > 0 else 0.0

return {

"psi": psi,

"H": H,

"H_norm": H_norm,

"governed_budget": governed_budget,

"saved": saved,

"save_pct": save_pct,

}

def ensure_csv_with_header(path: str):

header = [

"timestamp",

"prompt_id",

"prompt_words",

"psi",

"H",

"H_norm",

"baseline_max_tokens",

"governed_max_tokens",

"tokens_saved",

"save_pct"

]

file_exists = os.path.isfile(path)

if not file_exists:

with open(path, mode="w", newline="", encoding="utf-8") as f:

writer = csv.writer(f)

writer.writerow(header)

def log_to_csv(path: str,

prompt_id: int,

prompt: str,

baseline_max_tokens: int,

metrics: dict):

ensure_csv_with_header(path)

row = [

datetime.utcnow().isoformat(),

prompt_id,

len(prompt.split()),

f"{metrics['psi']:.6f}",

f"{metrics['H']:.6f}",

f"{metrics['H_norm']:.6f}",

baseline_max_tokens,

metrics["governed_budget"],

metrics["saved"],

f"{metrics['save_pct']:.2f}",

]

with open(path, mode="a", newline="", encoding="utf-8") as f:

writer = csv.writer(f)

writer.writerow(row)

def run_demo_with_csv(csv_path: str = "h_governor_logs.csv"):

prompts = [

"Quick: summarize this in one sentence.",

"Explain the H = pi * psi^2 formula and its implications for AI cost control.",

"You are given a long technical spec document about distributed systems, "

"OOM behavior, and inference economics. Analyze the tradeoffs between context length, "

"KV cache growth, and token-based governors, providing detailed recommendations.",

# Add more prompts or loop over your real dataset / logs

]

baseline = 512

total_saved = 0

print("=== H-Governor Cost Demo with CSV Logging ===")

print(f"Logging to: {csv_path}")

for i, prompt in enumerate(prompts, start=1):

metrics = token_budget_with_H(

prompt,

max_tokens_baseline=baseline

)

log_to_csv(

path=csv_path,

prompt_id=i,

prompt=prompt,

baseline_max_tokens=baseline,

metrics=metrics

)

total_saved += metrics["saved"]

print(f"\n[Example {i}]")

print(f"Prompt length (words): {len(prompt.split())}")

print(f"ψ (psi) estimate: {metrics['psi']:.3f}")

print(f"H = π * ψ²: {metrics['H']:.3f}")

print(f"Baseline max_tokens: {baseline}")

print(f"H-governed max_tokens: {metrics['governed_budget']}")

print(f"Tokens saved: {metrics['saved']} ({metrics['save_pct']:.1f}% reduction)")

print(f"\nTotal tokens saved across {len(prompts)} prompts: {total_saved}")

print(f"CSV written to: {os.path.abspath(csv_path)}")

if __name__ == "__main__":

run_demo_with_csv()

How they can use it:

Save as h_governor_csv_demo.py.

Run:

python h_governor_csv_demo.py

Open h_governor_logs.csv in Excel/Sheets and graph:

H vs tokens_saved

Or prompt_words vs save_pct

After a few thousand calls, you’ll have a CSV showing how much max_tokens you’ve been wasting and how H = πψ² recovers it.

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Bro, seek help

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TigerJoo·22d ago

Show me your results first from this code. Then I might consider that

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pab_guy·22d ago

🤦‍♂️

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TigerJoo·22d ago

Here’s how they can wire the same idea into a real call:

import math
import openai  # or their client of choice

PI = math.pi

def estimate_psi(prompt: str) -> float:
    return len(prompt.split()) / 50.0

def holistic_energy(psi: float) -> float:
    return PI  (psi * 2)

def governed_max_tokens(prompt: str,
                        baseline: int = 512,
                        H_cap: float = 25.0,
                        min_tokens: int = 64) -> tuple[int, float, float]:
    psi = estimate_psi(prompt)
    H = holistic_energy(psi)
    H_norm = min(H / H_cap, 1.0)
    reduction_factor = 0.5 * H_norm
    governed = int(baseline * (1.0 - reduction_factor))
    governed = max(governed, min_tokens)
    return governed, psi, H

def call_model_with_H(prompt: str):
    baseline = 512
    governed, psi, H = governed_max_tokens(prompt, baseline=baseline)

    print("\n=== H-Governed Call ===")
    print(f"Prompt words:          {len(prompt.split())}")
    print(f"ψ estimate:            {psi:.3f}")
    print(f"H = π * ψ²:            {H:.3f}")
    print(f"Baseline max_tokens:   {baseline}")
    print(f"H-governed max_tokens: {governed}")
    print(f"Estimated saving:      {baseline - governed} tokens")

    # Replace this with their actual client call
    response = openai.ChatCompletion.create(
        model="gpt-4.1-mini",
        messages=[{"role": "user", "content": prompt}],
        max_tokens=governed,
        temperature=0.3,
    )

    print("\n[Model output]")
    print(response["choices"][0]["message"]["content"])

    return response
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